poutyowl:

i am perfectly fine with having other people sit on my lap but i can’t sit on other people’s laps because i’m always paranoid that i’d crush them and they’d diE

did you see lmm’s father’s day message on his twitter? :)

DID YOU SEE LMM’S TWEET ABOUT IT I TEARED UP

you are such a good egg, i swear to god

bee tee dubs, all y’all who don’t have fathers can come hang out over here today; we’ll have our own tea party and talk about what fully-functional whole people we are, IT’LL BE AWESOME :D?

also, while i’m addressing arguments that went down on my text posts while i was away:

i am generally really, really uncomfortable with people immediately taking real-life events to first and foremost use as fodder in the narratives of their favorite fictional characters, especially when said real-life events have massive impact on, you know, the lives of real people.

not to say it isn’t an interesting discussion to have! but, like, cool it for a second.

dr-cormier:

cranberryloops:

autoluminescence:

wait, are people really romanticizing delphine’s recitation of cosima’s id number?

a moment when cosima visibly feels herself being reduced to a coded object, in an entire storyline(/ENTIRE SHOW) about women struggling to retain their bodily autonomy and right to self-determination amid patriarchal structures that attempt to reduce them to ‘beautiful forms’ unworthy of choice

directly followed by the devastating reveal that they have been legally identified as objects and property

people are romanticizing this?

Well, yes. Are you surprised?

Because Delphine was obviously romanticizing it. She said it almost like a pet name, and the moment, that smile is so gloriously messed up you can’t help but be drawn to it.

It’s exactly the conflict of the show, as embodied by Cosima. It’s always, always boils down to independence/being in control vs. being loved. You can’t help but be moved by Cosima’s need to both be loved for who she is and her rage and pain as being nothing but property. In light of that, seeing the object of her affection, her monitor, her partner in scientific pursuit using the code she was given as a nickname, as nothing but but somewhat of an endearment is heartbreaking.

What I heard, when Delphine was saying ‘324b21’ is ‘my clone’. It’s so fucking twisted I can’t deal with it. It’s romantic, if you find objectification romantic, if you find the whole “you’re my special lab rat and I will cherish you!” romantic. Which a lot of people do, pop culture is full of idolization of unhealthy, borderline abusive relationships.

The question is, would it read more clearly were Delphine a guy? Just imagine we had a male physicality combined with that careless, self-centred, privileged and controlling behaviour. Would we then see the flaws for what they are?     

I think people are missing the point of this scene. Delphine is all proud about knowing Cosima’s number because yes, there is an aspect of ‘you are mine, I know you’ and in ways, it does reduce Cosima to an object. But then Cosima is like, ‘oh, so I’m just experiment 324B21, great’ and Delphine’s all, ‘… oh, wait, that’s not actually something to be proud of, the fact that I’m kind of asserting my ownership of you as an object’, and that is why a moment later, she APOLOGIZES TO COSIMA. 

But I think it’s worth pointing out that when Delphine says she knows Cosima’s tag number, Cosima seems surprised/pleased by it, with her little “You do?” Because who doesn’t want to think that they’re important to someone they care about? For a quick second, it’s not about the number, it’s not about being an object, it’s about how Cosima was important to Delphine, in some way. And then that passes and Cosima is justifiably upset about being reduced to a number/object. Which, like I said, Delphine recognizes and understands, and that’s why she apologizes.

So the scene is romantic, in that we are shown how Delphine understands Cosima’s feelings — she acknowledges that they’re valid, she respects them, she apologizes for her mistakes and works to correct them. Not because she HAS to, but because she cares about Cosima and knows that she’s in the wrong. How is that not romantic?

I mean, I don’t think it matters if Delphine is a guy or a girl, really. If Delphine didn’t apologize, then it would be bad. But Delphine did apologize, and she recognized that what she said was problematic and why. If Delphine was a guy and acted in the same way, there’d be no issue with the scene. 

Now, I think if people romanticize the scene SOLELY as ‘omg Cosima is ~hers’ then yes, that’s not a good thing. But I think, from what I’ve seen, people are romanticizing the aspect of Delphine respecting Cosima’s feelings, which was basically what 110 was all about (in regards to their romantic subplot arc).

(ETA: Also, at the end of the episode, Delphine is clearly devastated to realize she has played a role in contributing to the clones’ objectification as property, so.)

ok, i … really, really disagree with this, and i think this kind of reasoning is perfectly emblematic of all the things in the cosima/delphine fandom that make me so uncomfortable.

basically, “So the scene is romantic, in that we are shown how Delphine understands Cosima’s feelings — she acknowledges that they’re valid, she respects them, she apologizes for her mistakes and works to correct them. Not because she HAS to, but because she cares about Cosima and knows that she’s in the wrong” is saying that there would be no reason for delphine to apologize - as perfunctory a little ‘i’m sorry’ as it is - were it not that cosima’s feelings were hurt. she doesn’t HAVE to apologize because, what, literally objectifying your purported love interest isn’t inherently wrong?

and, yeah, apologizing for screwing up at that level isn’t inherently romantic. it is, at best, a return to baseline; given the wider context of the scene, it’s another stone in the avalanche of ripped autonomy and destroyed bodily integrity (especially for cosima, whose body is literally being destroyed through her illnesses) that makes up the episode.